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==Welcomes==
Welcome to the team.  ^_^ --<span style="color:#550909; border-color:#880909; border-size:1px; background-color:#dddddd;">Blocco</span>|<sup>[[:User:Blocco|Userpage]]-[[:User talk:Blocco|Talkpage]]</sup> 21:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks. I'll have a crack at the templates in a day or two {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)}}

Welcome NXTBoy. --[[User:Camoy|Camoy]]

Welcome to the Wiki! Don't hesitate to send a message my way if you have a question! :) --[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 22:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

==Wiki templates==
Hey, I can't find any documentation on creating wiki templates.  Any help, please? --[[User:Mattchewy|Mattchewy]] ([http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=201573 Profile] | [[User_talk:Mattchewy|Talk]]) 00:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:Have a look on the MediaWiki site. There are some good tutorials there. Main problem I'm experiencing at the moment is that MrDoomBringer hasn't installed enough plugins. So no conditional templates at the moment. Have a look at the source code for my signature for an example template. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=08:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)}}

Nice job and the code and output template! It looks really good. (Although, I must be a jerk, and I think the output box is too big.)<div style="border-top: 1px dotted #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px; overflow: hidden;">([[User:Merlin11188|Merlin11188]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=128839 Send Message] | [http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/Special:EmailUser/Merlin11188 E-mail] |Wiki Writer) — 23:00, January 16, 2012 - UTC</div>

==Signature==
I also saw that you created a cool [[User:NXTBoy/sig|template]] for your signature. One of the cool features of a Wiki is auto signature. At the top left hand side of your screen, you will see a set of links. If you click on the "My preferences" tab and scroll down, you can enter a custom signature. With the "Raw signature" box checked, you can enter this code that I fixed up for you. I just removed the date part, as the software will add the date for you.

:<nowiki><small style="font-size: 75%; line-height: 1.33">&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NXTBoy|NXTBoy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:NXTBoy|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/NXTBoy|contribs]])</small>
</nowiki>

:So if you paste that into the bar you will, your new signature will look like this:

::<small style="font-size: 75%; line-height: 1.33">&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NXTBoy|NXTBoy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:NXTBoy|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/NXTBoy|contribs]])</small> 22:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

:Now, when leaving somebody a message, or posting on your talk page, all you will need to do is write four tildes like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and your signature will appear. Much easier than pasting your template in every time. Hope that helps!--[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 22:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:: At the moment, I just type three tildes(<nowiki>~~~</nowiki>), and that inserts my template with the current date. That means that If I change my sig, it'll update site-wide. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=07:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)}}
:::That, is very smart!--[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 18:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm having problems with my signature. When I post <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>, it doesn't auto-adjust to under my name. Like this: 
<div style="border-top: 1px dotted #AAA;color:#000000;font-size:10px">([[User:Merlin11188|Merlin11188]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=128839 Send Message] | [http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/Special:EmailUser/Merlin11188 E-mail] | Wiki Writer)<div style="float:right;">06:09, 15 July, 2011 - UTC</div></div>
:I can go back and edit the page to make it under my name, though that's really irritating. Do you have a suggestion? 
:<div style="border-top: 1px dotted #AAA;color:#000000;font-size:10px">([[User:Merlin11188|Merlin11188]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=128839 Send Message] | [http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/Special:EmailUser/Merlin11188 E-mail] | Wiki Writer)<div style="float:right;">06:09, 15 July, 2011 - UTC</div></div>
::Put the signature on the same line, rather than the one below? Might be due to a line break at the start of your signature template. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=14:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)}}
:::That worked. I figured it out right before I read it. I think it looks better in edit when it's on a new line.<div style="border-top: 1px dotted #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px; overflow: hidden;">([[User:Merlin11188|Merlin11188]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=128839 Send Message] | [http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/Special:EmailUser/Merlin11188 E-mail] |Wiki Writer) — 06:05, January 19, 2012 - UTC</div>

Did I manage to make a template from my signature? {{User:Tomtomn00/Signature|date=18:59, 22 August 2011 (UTC)}}

==RobloxOverflow==
<small>Topic continued from userpage:</small><br/>
Have a look at my proposal for a [http://StackOverflow.com StackOverflow] style site for Roblox [http://tinyurl.com/RobloxOverflow here]! <small>started by NXTBoy</small>
:What, [http://community.roblox.com/roblox kind of like this?] (Don't spread it.) ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer|Mr Doom Bringer]] 19:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:I won't spread it, but <b>since when was that made?</b> --<span style="color:#550909; border-color:#880909; border-size:1px; background-color:#dddddd;">Blocco</span>|<sup>[[:User:Blocco|Userpage]]-[[:User talk:Blocco|Talkpage]]</sup> 19:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Long time ago, you can see the dates that they've been posted. We have plans for that that I can't reveal, just letting you know before you go crazy with building a copycat system that we won't be able to use --[[User:Mr Doom Bringer|Mr Doom Bringer]] 00:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::::I'm not ''building'' a copycat system: said "Copy-cat" system is being given out for free. In many ways, StackExchange seems better than that, at least on the asking questions front. It has source-code highlighting too, which at the moment, your site seems not to. Although that site does allow things other than questions...
::::Also, it seems your site doesn't allow users to answer questions, only Roblox admins. Obviously, you'll get a much faster response if the entire usergroup can answer
::::Could you reveal why you wouldn't be able to use the StackExchange system? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)}}
:::::MrDoom, you do know that in releasing community, you would be opening the floodgates to spam and off topic.  Then nothing would ever get answered there.  I think that it should be left a bit hidden. --[[User:Camoy|Camoy]] 10:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It looks like there's a built-in anti-spam rating system to remove off-topic posts. I think that'd work better than the current forum system. --[[User:GoldenUrg|GoldenUrg]] 02:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==CSS==
Tossed in your edits, I'll make the changes to the templates. The sizing you have may need some tweaking to work properly. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer|Mr Doom Bringer]] 20:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Meh, never mind. Go ahead and do what you want to, don't be afraid to use the rollback button if the site explodes. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 20:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, you're right, the size does need tweaking. The examples on my userpage are working now: Take a look. Thanks for the change {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)}}

== DIV verses Table ==

I've got an issue with your new templates. While they are well built they're built on top of DIV tags. In any other basic website this wouldn't be an issue, however MediaWiki is built on top of the concept of tables and that's how most of the plugins etc. installed on this wiki are built. Moreover tables are more uniformly interpreted across browsers, meaning that a DIV can act funny where a table will act as it should.

I'm working on your /Object2 subpage right now, attempting to tweak it a bit to fit into the other template that I've already set up utilizing the CSS.

As it stands I would rather use DIV tags where necessary, such as my use in the [[Template:Function]] template set as it's used to auto-align the boxes on a page. Outside of that I'd rather use tables. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 20:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've modified your template to better align with the existing template and to use tables in favor of divs. It can be found at [[User:NXTBoy/Object3]]. This modification should allow for a hot drop replacement of the [[Template:ObjectList]] page without editing while preserving your modifications to the sub pages. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 21:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::And one last nitpick for the day. When making templates try to make the variables descriptive. "1" and "2" may be faster to type, but it's a heck of a lot easier to understand when they're named "name" and "image" instead. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 21:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Often, it is ''incorrect'' to use a table. Although admittedly, it's perfectly valid for the member list. But for single-box templates (like category up, and the LeftNoticeStart), it's just plain wrong. Also, divs are displayed better cross-browser than tables, unless you're using IE6, in which case all bets are off. Tables are only for tabular data. If you use 'em for layout, you're doin' it wrong.
:::Also, I'm fine with you changing the colors. Admittedly, my color-scheme wasn't very roblox oriented. Which template parameters did you feel were poorly named?{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=00:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)}}
::::Specifically the parameters you're leaving as "1" and "2". I realize after a bit of research that such a name allows you to insert the argument into a template without any variable declaration. In such cases though comments are most definitely appreciated.
:::::Yes, I assumed that you were aware of the fact that numerical parameters allow short-hand notation. Although admittedly, I should explain on the template page what the parameters represent. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=00:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)}}
::::"Wrong" by who's standards? If you're listening to W3C you need to seriously reconsider who you consider to be experts on the web. Take a look at the reaction to CSS and CSS2 and you'll see what I mean.
:::::The only single reason for using tables over divs is compatibility. Older browsers can misbehave when divs are used. In every other respect, they are wrong. Is it not the W3C's job to ''define'' how things should be done on the web? Can I have a link to an example of said reaction to CSS?{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=00:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)}}
::::::Everyone's consensus when CSS came out and the W3C said to use it for layout was to laugh, and then yell. [http://www.flownet.com/ron/css-rant.html There] [http://mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/1030/ have been] [http://www.decloak.com/dev/csstables/css_tables_01.aspx many complaints] [http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2007/10/08/css-sucks/ by many people] on CSS and it's use for layout on a page. You seem to be familiar with web programming so I'll assume you've at least heard of the packet reduction [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle%27s_algorithm Nagle's Algorithm.] Here's [http://www.accidentalscientist.com/2007/07/css-sucks-for-layout.html his take] on the matter. CSS is great for laying out how things look. Colors, text, borders, etc. Layout? Organizing the page? Not so much.
::::::Additionally the W3C kinda has lost credibility and people actually paying attention to them anymore. People work off of what works, such as people building to Internet Explorer standards for a long time now. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 20:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::::IE6 is mandatory support, I run all of my page tests through a VM running WinXP and IE6 not updated for years. DIVs are fun stuff, but not the kind of fun I want to deal with supporting. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 00:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm, that's a blow. IE6 is not fun. I have no way of testing in it unfortunately. "Mandatory" meaning "the company insists that I do it", or as in "in my opinion, it is mandatory"? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=00:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)}}
::::::In that I was told by John and the VP that the Wiki had to work in at minimum 1024x768, and on IE6. Back compatibility and all that. ---[[User:Mr Doom Bringer]] ([[User Talk:Mr Doom Bringer|Talk]]) 20:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Also, [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/83073/div-vs-table StackOverflow is good for this kind of thing] {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=00:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)}}

== Dev work ==

Hey, I've got a developer that can do some work.

Add to this list of things you want done

*GeShi code syntax highlighting installed correctly
*Move Page permissions for Editors
*Fix image/page delete problems
:Woohoo, finally! Thanks a bunch for telling me!
:*Add "Object" as a real namespace ([[User:Mr_Doom_Bringer/archive#The_Object:_.27namespace.27|instructions]])
:*ParserFunctions extension
:*Allow me (and or the original wiki editors) to edit the master [[MediaWiki:Common.css|css]]/[[MediaWiki:Common.css|js]] files, perhaps (if you feel it appropriate)
:*Add jQuery to the pages, so that I can improve the js
:*
:{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)}}

== Methods Template ==
Umm... what are you doing?  I see you are adding <nowiki>[[Category:Methods]]</nowiki> to some methods pages.  I don't see why this is needed when you can put it in the template which I had done before. <sup><small><font color="grey">[[User:Camoy|Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (August 30 2010)</font></small></sup>
:Because that means that the Object ([[RBX.lua.Part (Object)]], for example) pages are counted as Methods as well. Not a good thing {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)}}
::Is there a way that we can do this without revising every single method? <sup><small><font color="grey">[[User:Camoy|Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (August 30 2010)</font></small></sup>
:::Unfortunately not. There's no way of specifying "allow only one level of inclusion". {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)}}
::::Well I guess we have to all pitch in and fix it.  And the events too. <sup><small><font color="grey">[[User:Camoy|Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (August 30 2010)</font></small></sup>
{{Outdent}}
I fixed all the method pages, now the events template has to be fixed (and revised on all pages), but as a writer we don't have privileged.  We'll have to ask Doom. <sup><small><font color="grey">[[User:Camoy|Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (August 30 2010)</font></small></sup>
:Thanks! I've already done that. It might be on his archive page. It's definitely in [[:Category:Needs attention]]{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=16:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)}}

== Editing My Personal Pages ==

I would rather you not edit my user or discussion pages.--[[User:MrNicNac|MrNicNac]] 17:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry. Although the point in a discussion page is for others to send you messages through. I was just trying to detablify your user page!{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)}}

== CatUp ==

We have the:
<nowiki>{{CatUp|Properties}}</nowiki>

In all the properties.  Should we get rid of this?  I honestly don't use it often and it kind of gets in the way.  <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top; color: grey">[[Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (December 25 2010)</span>
:I'm inclined to agree with you. However, it's not my decision to make. I can't really see any point in CatUp anywhere, as it spoils the category system. Ah, well. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=08:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)}}

::Should we just get rid of it from all the pages? <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top; color: grey">[[Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (December 26 2010)</span>

== New CatImage Template messing up Main Page ==

[[Roblox|See for yourself.]]<div style="border-style:dotted; border-width:0px; border-top-width:1px; border-color:#888888; padding-bottom:-4px;"><sup>Posted by [[:User:Blocco|blocco]] ([[:User_talk:Blocco|talk]]) on Dec 28, 2010 (Tuesday) at 17:26 (UTC) [[:User talk:Blocco/sig#format|[Discuss format]]]</sup></div>

:I know. That'll probably require a CSS fix. I've bodged it, for now. It has finally fixed the image links, though. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=17:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)}}

::Also, offsite links are being portrayed as onsite links.<div style="border-style:dotted; border-width:0px; border-top-width:1px; border-color:#888888; padding-bottom:-4px;"><sup>Posted by [[:User:Blocco|blocco]] ([[:User_talk:Blocco|talk]]) on Dec 28, 2010 (Tuesday) at 17:55 (UTC) [[:User talk:Blocco/sig#format|[Discuss format]]]</sup></div>
:::Yeah, I know that too. Can't be bothered to fix that right now: still better than the old template which linked to the images {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=18:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)}}

==Instance Pages==

Personally, I like the first page best because it matches the home page and the floating titles make it look better to me. {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=22:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:Lemme make a homepage copy with the other titles...
::Still think we should make a thread with all four pages.  It wouldn't hurt anything.  {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=22:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:::I reckon a proper survey offsite would be better. Also, [[Roblox/test]] {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
::::http://polldaddy.com/poll/4328060/ Good enough? {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=22:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:::::Yeah, why not. Possibly "Which is best laid out" and "Which has the best colors". Also, add the original. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
::::::Ok, done.  Here is the best survey page: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KQBSSTD {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=22:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)}}
{{outdent}}
Close, but I think we should merge 1+2, and 3+4 in the color question, since they have the same colors {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=09:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)}}
==Results==
http://bit.ly/fMBn5I {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=00:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}}
: The best bit is how I just made a test5 :P. Thanks for running that. Only 16 votes though... You happy with the decision, for now? I'll make it all templated so that it's easier to change in future {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=16:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:: I would have ran it for longer, but the thread got "[ Content Deleted ]" and I got a warning on my account. And yea, I'm happy with the decision. {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=00:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)}}

== New Object Documentation ==
If you didn't see, I edited some of the style for the wiki objects pages and modified the properties/events/methods box to show an undocumented object even if the page isn't created yet.  What do you think about it?

Also, for some reason the [[SpawnLocation]] page isn't getting derived properties for some reason.  I added one more level to the ancestor template, but there was no luck. Do you know what is going on? {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=23:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:The Instance object's properties aren't being included on the [[Object:SpawnLocation]] page for some reason.<div style="border-style:dotted; border-width:0px; border-top-width:1px; border-color:#888888; padding-bottom:-4px;"><sup>Posted by [[:User:Blocco|blocco]] ([[:User_talk:Blocco|talk]]) on Jan 25, 2011 (Tuesday) at 01:40 (UTC) [[:User talk:Blocco/sig#format|[Discuss format]]]</sup></div>
::Huh. I really can't see what's going on. I changed the members template as well, but that didn't work either... {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:::I think it is happening because there is too many templates in the page? {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=21:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)}}
::::Don't think so. There'd we a warning when you view-source-ed were that the case. The members template should be the root of the issue

== HEY!!1! ==

(read your PM's :P) {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=02:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}
(read them again! :D) {{User:Mattchewy/sig|date=00:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)}}

== ur-wiki ==

That <i>thing</i> was made before I even know what a <code>div</syntaxhighlight> was. :P Thank you for making it look so neat :3 {{User:Outofspace/sig}}
:No problem. That's pretty much all I do on the wiki: make things look neat. I would've changed it more, but I figured you'd want it to look like the old one{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)}}

== My Userpage ==

ONCE AGAIN. Do not edit my user page. Besides the fact that I like using CSS tables, div tags are transparent to other Wiki elements. The revision box will fall into the box. Why do you keep editing my page?

:"div tags are transparent to other Wiki elements" - What? I don't even understand what you mean.
:And "CSS Tables"? That's somewhat of an oxymoron{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=18:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)}}
::Since you are an editor, I don't know if you can see the "current revision" box on pages. However, when I use the 'div' tags to design an element box, the CatUp and Revision boxes fall INTO my designed element. Take my userpage elements and make a sub-userpage and test it.<div style="border-top: 1px solid; color:#AAA"><div style="color:#000000; font-size:10px; float:left">([[User:MrNicNac|MrNicNac]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=947798 Send Message] | Wiki Writer) - ([http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=&group=writer&limit=50 Writer/Editor List])</div></div><br>
:::I don't see that, but I understand what you mean. It's simple to fix though. <code>clear:both</syntaxhighlight> will stop things flowing into it. Lemme show you. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=18:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)}}
::::That's fine. The floating elements is the whole reason I avoided using 'div' tags. <div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">([[User:MrNicNac|MrNicNac]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=947798 Send Message] | Wiki Writer) - ([http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=&group=writer&limit=50 Writer/Editor List])</div>
:::::Well now you don't have to! Another useful one is <code>overflow: hidden</syntaxhighlight>, which will make an element expand to enclose any floating child elements. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=18:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)}}

== New objects ==

I can't understand the object template. I did the best job I could, though.

[[RBX.lua.FloorWire (Object)]] is new, I started it but I didn't manage to get all the stuff done.
It's icon is an IntValue- Not sure what it inherits from.

[[RBX.lua.PartPairLasso (Object)]] is new

[[RBX.lua.TextureTrail (Object)]] is also new but I have NO idea what it does.
<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  14:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
:OH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!!1!
:Seriously though, you'd do well to look at ''the source'' of [[Object:BasePart/methods|some]] [[Object:BasePart/properties|existing]] [[Object:BasePart/events|pages]]. The key concept here is that you can't just have comma separated properties. You have to pass them to a template, so that they can be parsed out. As for the [[Object:FloorWire/superclass|superclass]], go with Instance until you find out otherwise. You might want to try calling :isA against [[GuiBase|various]] [[GuiObject|gui]] [[GuiBase3d|objects]]. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=14:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)}}
::Sorry, I never thought to look at the source, it just looked like ordinary plaintext. Apologies for that, at least I'll know next time :)<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  14:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
:::No problem. I'm glad you asked. I can't remember how the icons are set though... {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=14:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)}}
::::I know roblox uses FamFamFam icons for the majority of things. It links to an image file, but I couldn't find the intvalue icon in FamFamFam's icons. I scrolled quickly because there's like, 100-1000 icons, but I think I would've seen it if there was one. I'll start working on the TextureTrail, I know what to do now (I think)<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  15:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)</span></div>

:::::Worked it out. You need to make an image at [[Image:FloorWire icon.png]], either as a redirect to [[Image:IntValue icon.png]], or a new upload. 18*18px, I think. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)}}
::::::I'm prety sure it's 16*16, I could be wrong though.<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  15:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
{{outdent|::::::}}The icons themselves are. But the ones on the wiki have a 1px border. Things will misalign if you're not careful.{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)}}
:From your edit I'm assuming that we don't put default things like DescendantAdded, Parent, and Clone in, is that right?<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  15:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
::The whole idea is that members are inherited. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)}}

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== Example Template vs. Pre Tag ==
I think that the example template is MUCH superior to the pre tag.  It specifically states it is an example, can have an explanation within the nicely formatted box, and can usually uses the pre tag for code snippets. <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top; color: grey">[[Camoy]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Camoy|Contribs]] (August 1 2011)</span>
:You don't need to use the pre tag, as mediawiki has a syntax construct for that. Just indent by one space. But I digress. My objection to the example box is:
:{{Example|<pre>Things like this, which is just a way of taking a chunk of code, and making it take up too much space, with too many borders. Also, the margins look terrible. Ewww.</pre>}}
:My other objection is using an example box where code is not an example, but the main subject of the article.{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)}}

== How to change the color ==

How do you change the color inside of a pre tag? {{User:Quenty/sig|date=August 2}}
:Hope you don't mind me answering rather than NXTBoy (I don't think he's online), but <nowiki><pre style="background-color:#HexValue"></pre></nowiki> It's a standard HMTL tag so any CSS is allowed realy but stick to stuff that allows older browsers like IE6 to view it correctly-ish.<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  18:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
::That changes the background-color. There's a difference. Also, it's HTML, not HMTL...{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)}}
:::What do you mean? He said inside, that'd either be the text color (color=#HexValue), or the backgroundcolor (background-color=#hexvalue). Yeah, HMTL was a typo :(<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  19:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
::Yeah, I figured it might be {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)}}
:Of a single line, or the whole box? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)}}
::I would presume a single line.  Also, @NXTBoy, on your currency exchange, why don't you remove the times when the currency exchange drops to 0.  I don't think those are exploitable.{{User:Quenty/sig|date=August 3}}
:::I think I made [[Template:LineHighlight]] for that a while back.
 Here is some code

 {{LineHighlight|Watch out!}}
 How exciting
:::I don't really know what's causing those drops to 0. Have you ever actually seen it drop to 0? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)}}
== Help Page Redirection and Commenting ==
You may continue to question how I prefer to do something. My preference may not be yours, and it is doing no harm. So, there is absolutely no need to question it. Also, I simply threw a quick redirect to my user page that explained article reviewing because I didn't feel like moving the content at the time. Again, why question things when you can simply take action upon it? If you want to move the content, or in a more friendly case copy the content, then by all means go an do so. <div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">([[User:MrNicNac|<font color="black" size="2">Mr</font><font color="green" size="2">Ni</font><font color="black" size="2">cN</font><font color="green" size="2">ac</font>]] | [http://www.roblox.com/My/PrivateMessage.aspx?RecipientID=947798 <font color="black" size="2">Send Message</font>] | <font color="green" size="2">'''Wiki Editor'''</font><font color="black" size="2">'''/Revi'''</font><font color="green" size="2">'''ew'''</font><font color="black" size="2">'''er'''</font>) - ([http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=&group=writer&limit=50 <font color="green" size="2">Writer/Editor List</font>])</div>
:I just thought I would explain why everyone else uses their talk pages the way they do.
:I didn't move the content, because I wondered whether you could justify leaving it where it is. Since you don't seem to mind, I'll do so in the future.
:{{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)}}

== Nav footer ==

Do you think it's better now?
[[User:Trappingnoobs/NavFooterTests]]
Personally I'm thinking the color needs to be greyer but IDK.
<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  20:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)</span></div>
: The layout is nicer, but the colors are gross. Have you seen [[User:Anaminus/Navbox|Anaminus']] take on things? Maybe just pull off one row of the table, depending on the page. I'd write a super-l33t template to do that, but I'm already pushing the parser limits. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)}}
:: I didn't notice that. It's a little big though. Would Anaminus mind if I split it up into sections and implemented it onto all the pages d'you think?<div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px">Trappingnoobs <span style="color:skyblue">(Writer)</span><span style="color:red"> Have I done something bad? Good? Tell me on my [[User_talk:Trappingnoobs|talk page]]</span><span style="color:grey;float:right">  22:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)</span></div>

== On MrNicNac's User Page ==

"Also, I'm not gonna let you use a <nowiki><center></nowiki> - That was deprecated in 1999! I'll leave the rest as it was.)" - What are you on about? <nowiki><center></nowiki> is no different to CSS center, what difference does it even make anyway? <br/>(<font face="Hobo Std">[[User:SoulStealer9875|SoulStealer9875]]|[http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=3827581 ROBLOX-Profile]]</font><div style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; color:#000000; font-size:10px" align="right">@ 16:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)</div>
:The <code><nowiki><center></nowiki></syntaxhighlight> tag was deprecated in HTML 4, [https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/center according to MDN]. [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ HTML 4.01] was a W3C recommendation in 1999. The web doesn't advance if people don't drop deprecated technologies. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=16:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC)}}

== Object Members ==

When there are two members of the same name, from what I see, there's no way to include only that specific member properly without having the object page show "Example/ObjectName". If not, we need it; if there is, what is it? <span style="font-size: 75%; line-height: inherit;">[[User:Legend26|Legend26]] ([[User talk:Legend26|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Legend26|contribs]])</span> 09:40, 17 January 2012 (EST)
: I don't understand what you mean. I think there's already a solution to this, but you'll have to phrase your problem more clearly. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=19:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::Nevermind, I stumbled upon the solution yesterday: {{`|<nowiki>{{Member|etc|etc|url=/xyz}}</nowiki>}} <span style="font-size: 75%; line-height: inherit;">[[User:Legend26|Legend26]] ([[User talk:Legend26|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Legend26|contribs]])</span> 14:45, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Dynamic Template ==
I'm trying to make a timestamp that changes each time the page is loaded (with respect to how cache might slow it down), but the I'm not understanding how to do so. Could you explain? [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]]
: I don't understand the problem. Can you link me to the page in question? Does [[Template:Timestamp|Timestamp]] do the job? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
:: Yes, it explains what I needed. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]]
::: {{`|{{((}}subst:timestamp{{))}}}} will substitute the timestamp into the page at the time of editing. {{`|{{((}}timestamp{{))}}}} will update (probably automatically). {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=15:38, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::::Mmm...and just wondering off topic here, but would you happen to know how to implement unicode onto a computer. I have no idea if that is the right terminology, but I am seeing parts of my signature (the crosses) as boxes instead of their actual characters. Is there a way to fix that? [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]]
:::::Never mind, this problem goes a lot deeper than simple font issues...[[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">☩</font>]]
::::::You could try html-encoding them (&amp;#x2629;), and using a font that supports unicode {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=16:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}

== Nesting div...things... ==

Is it possible to put a div element inside of another?

<pre>
<div style="">
<div style="">
</div>
</div>
</pre>

Because I can't seem to do it. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]
:Erm, yes? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::What's up with my time on my page? Without the subst it doesn't seem to update - or definitely not as fast. I'm in disagreement with your edit. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]
:::It updates whenever you edit it. The other option is to purge it by adding {{`|?action{{=}}purge}} to the url. The subst has nothing to do with it. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:55, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::::The whole point of me putting it on the page was to show the time it was loaded at. Not to keep it there in static. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]
:::::I realize. It's not possible though. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::::::You've got to be kidding me...it updated upon loading when I had it originally with safesubst. That is the whole reason I did that. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]
:::::::Trust me, safesubst: is completely unrelated. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=23:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}
::::::::Then tell me why it worked when it was involved. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]
{{outdent|::::::::}}
Probably because I was editing it. Make two pages using the two methods, and test them. They will behave identically. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=23:04, 22 January 2012 (UTC)}}

== Object with Callbacks; ==

How are we going to implement callback into the Object Template? [[User:Nightname|Nightname]]
http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/OnInvoke_(Callback)
: I haven't used roblox in a while. How do callbacks work? Is it {{`|=object.callbackProperty = function() ... end}} or {{`|=object.callbackMethod(function() ... end)}}. I'd be tempted to classify it as a property with type {{type|function}}. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=18:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)}}
:: I added an example on the page to show you how it works. However, for some reason the "pre" tags are causing some weird problem take a look at the page please. [[User:Nightname|Nightname]] 15:21, 18 February 2012 (EST)
http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/OnInvoke_(Callback)
:::Fixed. That looks like it might do best classified as a property. I don't really think we want an empty callback tab on every page, and making it conditional is a lot of work. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)}}
:::: Callbacks also have a unique icon - how would you implement that?[[User:Nightname|Nightname]] 17:02, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::::: You mean in the object list on the left? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)}}
::::::Callbacks aren't properties, therefore, we can't consider them as properties. And yes, we should make an optional tab just for them. Every tab for every type of member should be optional, anyways. Also, the callback template doesn't support arguments, yet, callbacks can have arguments... <div style="border-top:1px dashed;padding-bottom:.5em;height:1em"><div style="font-size:75%;float:left">[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]]</div><div style="font-size:75%;float:right">19 February 2012</div></div>

== Callbacks ==

We need some way to document callbacks in the object templates. Currently, I know of two of them, the RequestShutdown member of the DataModel object and the OnInvoke member of the BindableFunction object.

We need a template for them, and a way to document them on object pages. We can't just consider them as methods, because they aren't methods. <div style="border-top:1px dashed;padding-bottom:.5em;height:1em"><div style="font-size:75%;float:left">[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]]</div><div style="font-size:75%;float:right">19 February 2012</div></div>

== Welcome to ROBLOX! ==

The old image map on the [[Welcome to Roblox]] page is really bugging me. It doesn't work, and that's the fourteenth most visited page on the Wiki. Would you mind reviewing/approving my update (unless you find something wrong with it, of course)?{{User:Merlin11188/sig|date=16:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)}}

== Tree Template ==

Clever way to automatically display the expand/collapse icons! I want to use ''list-style-image'' to display them, but I can't get it to work with the style attribute. I think it would have to be added to [[Mediawiki:common.css]]. [[User:Anaminus|--Anaminus]] 13:49, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
:I'm sure MrDoomBringer could do it. He said he's not reading his talk page, though, I think, and told us to email him instead. --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 16:51, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think mediawiki strips out any CSS that references images. It'll need to go in the main stylesheet. If we're playing the "edit the core files" game, wouldn't it be cooler to actually make them expand / collapse sections in javascript? Or is that kinda pointless? {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=21:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)}}
::Before this message was even added, I already thought about suggesting asking MrDoomBringer to make them able to collapse/expand by editing common.js. We should totally do it. And since we're going to ask him to change the common.css file to use list-style-image, we could as well use it for all the CSS stuff, considering we need to use inline CSS on lots of li elements right now. That'd make the code smaller and thus allow faster loading, which I'd think we kind of want, considering how slow the wiki is right now (that's because of the server, though, but, still, it's going to help). --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 17:26, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
:::Do we think that templates transclude inside /common\.(css|js)/ ? It would be much easier if we could edit them. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=22:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)}}
::::We should be able to edit them, but common.css only (not common.js, only  common.css). And every edit should be approved by an administrator or a sysop. But, if every edit has to be approved by them, then it could as well be tso we must ask them anyways, so there's no real point in it. As for us being able to directly edit it without any approval, I am totally against that. --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 21:40, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for [http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php?title=Template:ChangeLog_Item&curid=12877&diff=55230&oldid=55229&rcid=57916 this]! I was struggling to come up with a way to do that. I honestly didn't know there was an h3 tag, I've never used it. Thank you very much!--[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 11:36, 31 March 2012 (EDT)
:You didn't know there was an {{tag|h3}} tag? That's one of the six heading tags in HTML: {{tag|h1}}, {{tag|h2}}, {{tag|h3}}, {{tag|h4}}, {{tag|h5}} and {{tag|h6}}. Anyways, there is also the {{tl|Heading}} template, which can be used to create headings. I think the {{tl|TitledBox}} template also has parameters that make it possible to use headers, but, since we only wanted the date to be in an header in this case, we couldn't use that. --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 13:20, 31 March 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, partly because I'm a Wikipedia guy, and it's generally considered bad form to use anything other than <nowiki>=== Sub-section name===</nowiki>, and templates are generally not used as sub sections. For our application however, it works wonders! Thanks again! :) --[[User:Gordonrox24|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36B">Gordonrox24</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Gordonrox24|<sup><span style="font-family:Arial;color:red">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 13:45, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

== Aligning Elements ==

I need some more CSS help [[User:MrNicNac/Home|here]]. I'm sure you can see what I'm trying to do once you get there - just don't know how since float only incorporates left and right. [[User talk:MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]][[User:MrNicNac|<font color="#E52B50" size="3" face="Harlow Solid Italic">MrNicNac - Senior Wiki Editor</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MrNicNac|<font color="#007BA7" size="4">†</font>]]

== Haaaalp!!! ==

I think I need some of your help on [[User:JulienDethurens/Userpage|this page]]... What I'm trying to do should be obvious, but I'm not sure exactly how to edit the style of the titled boxes.

Here is what I'm trying to do:

*Make the double borders appear correctly as a single  border.
*Make the boxes only be rounded on the sizes of the main box, not between eachothers.
*Make the whole box take up 100% of the visible part of the page.

These three things would require me to be able to change the style of each titled box invidually, but I don't know how to do that with the {{tl|TitledBox}} template. --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 18:06, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

== Callbacks ==

Can you make it possible to add callbacks in the object lists for object documentation? I know there are currently only two callbacks in the whole ROBLOX API, but, we still need a way to document them.

Also, what are we supposed to do about the "return values" of callbacks? I mean, they can have return values, the [[RequestShutdown]] callback of the [[DataModel]] has one, which is a [[boolean]]. :/ --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 23:47, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
:Done. However, I need NXTBoy to apply his magic and make the callback sections not appear when an object doesn't have callbacks. --[[User:Anaminus|Anaminus]] 00:54, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Thanks.. a lot... I don't know why, but, whenever we need something complicated or tedious to be done, you're the one who does it. --[[User:JulienDethurens|JulienDethurens]] 01:58, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

== Wikitables ==

I noticed that occasionally the bottom border of a wikitable is invisible until you scroll back up and down on it again. Are you able to fix that? <span style="font-size: 75%; line-height: inherit;">[[User:Legend26|Legend26]] ([[User talk:Legend26|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Legend26|contribs]])</span> 20:26, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
:Sounds like a browser bug. I've seen that behaviour before, but I can't remember where. See if you can find a page that does it every time. {{User:NXTBoy/sig|date=06:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)}}